Our Journey from Weight-Centric Health to Intuitive Health by Grace

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What we talk about in this episode

In this introductory episode of the Joyful Health Show, we share our personal stories of how God led us to practice and teach intuitive health by grace as nutrition and fitness professionals. 

Listen as they share the realities of practicing and teaching a health that’s focused on weight, performance and calorie deficits ,and lean in as we uncover a better way.

In addition to sharing our own stories and professional experience, we give some super practical tips on how to move forward on the path God’s laid out for your health.

Kasey Shuler is an author, personal trainer, and co-founder of the Joyful Health Collective. Her mission is to help women find lasting health by starting with grace and finding joy in movement. She lives with her husband and two daughters in Athens, Georgia, and outside of joyfulhealth.co, you can connect with her @kaseybshuler on Instagram.



Aubrey Golbek is a dietitian, writer, and mama on a mission to help women ditch diets and find grace in the areas of food, body image, motherhood and beyond. She is the co-founder of the Joyful Health collective and has worked one-on-one with clients as a dietitian in private practice since 2015. Aubrey is the author of Grace, Food, and Everything in Between and together with her husband runs Dwell Well Family, a blog empowering families to parent a team, live simply, and rediscover the lost-art of making things themselves. She lives in Tulsa, OK with her husband and children.You can connect with Aubrey on instagram @aubreygolbek.

Episode Transcription

00:00:05 (Intro)

Hey, friends, welcome to the Joyful Health show. I'm Aubrey, registered dietitian, and I'm Kasey personal trainer. And together we are here to help you discover joyful health by grace. Hi and welcome to this introductory episode of the Joyful Health Show.

00:00:34 (Aubrey)

We are so excited to get started. I am Aubrey Golbek and this is my co-founder and partner Kasey Shuler. Hey, Kasey. Hey. Hey. Today we're going to talk to you guys about our personal stories. How did two health professionals, a dietitian and a fitness personal trainer, come to intuitive health by grace?

00:01:00 (Aubrey)

So to start, I'm going to share Kasey's bio with you guys, and this is so fun because we don't get to do this very often. Kasey Shuler is an author, a personal trainer, and, of course, the co-founder of the Joyful Health Collective.

Her mission is to help women find a lasting health by starting with grace and finding joy in movement. She lives with her husband and her two daughters in Athens, Georgia, and outside of joyful health care. You can connect with Kasey at @kaseyshuler on Instagram.

So today we are excited to share our personal testimonies when it comes to intuitive health by grace, and I love hearing Kasey's story. No matter how many times I hear it, I learn something new. But Kasey, why don't we just get started by sharing sort of a background of your career and how you came to intuitive health by grace?

Kasey’s Story

00:01:54 (Kasey)

Sure, thank you. Yes, I just love being able to share God's story in my life because it's so we usually live life forwards and we understand it backwards. So being able to share that story is allows me also to see how God has been working.

And I'm always kind of questioning like, what should I do next? What what's the next best thing? But the way that God paves our lives is ultimately perfect, so we know that we can trust him. So my story is I grew up in a wonderful family.

My dad was a retired army retired army man, so he's always active. My mom was the personal trainer. She still is a fitness instructor. And so this activity was a part of life and that was a part of our family life and making memories and just doing things together.

That's what we did as we will go on walks. Are you going jogs or we'd play tennis or, you know, go explore bike rides on vacation and things like that. So it was naturally fitting for me to become a fitness instructor myself when I went to college because I started taking my mom's classes in high school and then I wasn't actually certified.

But she would have me kind of take over sometimes. And I don't know if it's because she just wanted to, like, train me in that or she just needed a break. But either way, it was just it was just super fun to me.

And and I remember going to this. I remember going to the Zoom class one time and I was in high school and thinking, this is the most fun I have ever had. And I was very self-conscious as a teenager and I didn't dance.

I didn't hug people. I just like would stand there with my arms closed. And it's so funny to see how the Lord has brought me out of that. But movement is was one of the big things that really sparked joy for me that in a way that was surprising and really drew me in.

And so I became a fitness instructor in college. But what I learned as a fitness instructor is that people liked coming to my classes if they were really sore or, you know, it's like, Oh, I couldn't walk the next day, that was a great workout.

And so that pushed me to do harder classes. And if I was doing the workout, then I also became really sore and blind, just thought that was normal. And so it was normal to be sore all the time to kind of just like hurt and generally.

And then I was also pursuing a degree in health promotion and behavior. I was fascinated by the way that we think about our choices when it comes to health in particular. And I remember going to a clinic to shadow someone, and the man was doing some anti-smoking classes and people would show up because their insurance would give them a discount if they showed up.

But I could see the look of despair in his face and just thinking, I can't actually make any real change here. People just come and this is my job. But you know, it does it really for if people are not coming on their own and they're not there, they have to keep coming back because they're not implementing this and their own life. And that also kind of stuck with me. And so when I started out after graduating college, I went and worked in the corporate wellness sphere at Starbucks Corporate, and I became a trainer there.

00:05:22 (Kasey)

And also people pushed really hard. But then I worked in another place where people just wanted to, like work. They wanted to go home, but then, you know, they were going to their doctors and their doctors who tell them all you need to lose weight and fitness was part of that answer.

And so coming to me felt like a drudgery like, oh, like, this is my medication. I have to take, you know, and just swallow the pill. But it's as hard to fit into people's lives because they had to commute to work.

And then they sat down all day and they didn't have time built into their workday to do exercise. And so I was just really a catch 22 in it, and I started to feel the discouragement because I couldn't really help people in the way that I wanted to.

And also with personal training, when I did that on my own, I wanted to empower people so they didn't have to come back. But I saw with anything that was very weight loss oriented, people would come back and it was just like a cycle of like, Well, I overeat.

And so I knew I needed to work out instead of movement, just being a joyful thing, like when I remember from that Zuma class of thinking like, I'm so sweaty and this is just fun. I didn't think about burning calories.

It was just like, I feel so alive and I wanted. I was just like, hated. That wasn't the norm. That the norm was exercises as punishment. You have to do it to be healthy. No one likes it. But in order to lose weight, you have to burn calories and to burn calories.

You have to do something that's high impact, high intensity. And in that for a long duration and that put a lot of stress on people's lives in their bodies, including my own. I was getting up really early to teach, you know, classes at 5:30 a.m. I mean, I would have to get up at four, 30 some times to

go teach those classes. And, you know, as a fitness instructor, you don't get paid much. And so you want to do it for the joy of it. But then I myself was hurting and not getting sleep. And then I would also see other people who who overdid it because they would get praise for coming in to class

more. They would get injured. And so. So I started kind of to to back away from the fitness industry for a while, and I didn't really know what I was going to do. And then I started researching more about Revelation Wellness.

And they are a faith and fitness ministry where they preach the gospel through fitness. And I ended up becoming an instructor with them and just really changed my attitude as far as, like fitness being something that I needed to stop taking control of and let God go first so that whenever it felt, whenever I felt like a

failure, it was. It was because I was working in my own effort and I was not letting the Lord lead and I was not moving for that joy set before me like Jesus did. And so and whenever I if I would succeed or people would enjoy it, I knew that it also wasn't because of me.

And so that was just like the healthiest place for me to be. And I also really changed me with the intuitive eating part really changed me too, because I really love movement, but I was finding myself. I'm just getting frustrated over not being able to control my portions, I thought I should be eating a certain amount.

00:08:53 (Kasey)

I was going on elimination diets to kind of cure some thyroid things and I was seeing foods as good or bad, and I was really beating myself up about eating certain things and not being like the number one source of shame for me.

And even though people wouldn't think it, I would, you know, look healthy. I'm sorry that was a personal trainer. I ate really, you know, quote healthy things, but still, I felt like I was failing. And so but then I would eat.

I feel like I sugar was bad and so I couldn't eat sugar. But then I would eat it because it was good. I wanted it. And so. So this at this one point is just this is kind of like my come to Jesus point, and I think we all have those.

But mine was just sitting at the dining room table and like eating notepads and feeling really bad for it and being so frustrated with my lack of discipline and self-control. And I was like, I am so disciplined, why can I not do this?

Like, I'm so tired of this, and I I guess I indirectly took it to the Lord and heard him say, like, you don't have to, you know? And I was like, Why you just like this release off of my shoulders?

It felt like, you know, all of the scriptures of like, Hey, Jesus declared all foods clean and and to be able to to pursue him instead of like eating the perfect way was where his grace was and where his freedom was for me and not just my spiritual life and my body.

And those two were kind of the same for me. And so, so yeah. Then then I started going down the intuitive eating track with Aubrey's book and got in touch with her and found out joyful movement was one of the principles of intuitive eating.

And so it's like we need to really like, I want to teach this. I don't think a lot of people know about this, and I need to learn more, and we need to tell other people because this is life changing. So that's kind of when we started joyful health then.

00:10:59 (Aubrey)

Yeah. Oh man, I love your story with exercise or movement because you, unlike many of us, you started off with really a great relationship with movement like you had a joyful experience of movement growing up.

At least I don't think, correct me if you're around my wrong, it just seems like it didn't seem like your parents forced you to move. It was just like a part of your guys's family culture, and it was enjoyable.

And what happened is you sort of went out into the world and diet culture kind of put this mark on you and made you feel like you needed to make movement fit into the diet culture box, which is like punishment.

The more calories burned, the better, more pain, more gain and graciously through Revelation Wellness the Lord kind of washed all of that off of you. I think about that passage where Jesus is talking to the disciples and he's saying, like, you've already been washed, you just need your feet to be washed.

You don't, you just need your feet to be washed. And sometimes that like muck of diet, culture, whatever the world has for us, attaches itself to us, to these beliefs. And we just need to like let Jesus wash that away and restore our first love.

And so when you talk about a joyful movement, you really mean that you really experienced it from childhood. And so I love that. I love that you can kind of come to it from that perspective. And maybe what you guys don't know if you're listening, is that Kasey wrote the book about Joyful Movement before she like, she sort of alluded to it before, she really knew that that was a principle of intuitive eating. And I think that just is a testament to that. She lives and breathes it, but also that it's something that is near and dear to God's heart.

So definitely read that book if you haven't already. Casey, I am curious am when you went through Revelation Wellness, did you did your own relationship to just the way that you moved your body? Because I know you talk a lot about how you trained your clients, but like with how you moved and the movement that you did, did that change at all?

00:13:20 (Kasey)

Yeah, and I think I was still equating working out with calorie burn and as far as like, OK, I eat this, so I need to do this. And I didn't know I didn't have a label for diet culture.

I didn't know what that was. I wasn't ever trying to lose weight, but I was trying to make up for what I ate because what I thought I ate was bad and working out was good. But then there was no freedom in that because I was like, Well, I'm only doing hip workouts, but I also I also

realized that what I love to do was I like to do like from some of the research and move for joy. I kind of the way that our body is designed, our body is designed for certain movements to come more naturally to us.

So I'm short, I'm 5’2” so I’m low to the ground, which makes me a good candidate for boxing because I have a really good center of gravity or ice skating or gymnastics. And those are all of the things that I'm like.

I love to do those things and like powerlifting and sprinting because I have fast twitch muscle fibers. And I know that because I love to sprint. I love to run really fast because it makes me feel good. I don't love to run really long, and I did a a half marathon in college and it was horrible.

But that's like when marathons became really trendy and I was like, Hey, this is the thing I got to do. I got to check it off my bucket list, and I was just like, literally praying the whole time of like, this hurts.

I didn't train well for it because I didn't enjoy running for long periods of time. And so that was not a great experience. So I think being able to see like, Oh, I can let go of some of those things, I don't have to do the things that are trendy or even wellness culture says that is healthy

for you because that's not healthy for me. If I'm forcing myself to do it, I'm dreading this thing that's not going to create joy in. Also, the whole thing about like joyful movement is the way that's different, as because you're focusing on how it makes you feel rather than how it makes you look.

And that is a huge part of fitness for me, as like being able to feel free. And there's a lot of technology around exercise nowadays, and I am just a huge proponent of like the last technology for me personally, the better because I just want to get out of my head.

I want to move, I want to get into my body, I want to be in the space. I mean, connect with the environment, connect with my body. And so being able to have the freedom and the permission to do that really changed what I chose to do and to be able to play around and be like, Yeah

that was a quote workout. But, you know, really being able to see like, what fits with my life if I hated being like hurting going up the stairs and I would be like, No, I can't pick you up my toddler, two year old, because my back hurts in the workout that I did made it worse.

Like, that's not helping my relationships. So I realized like, OK, what are the things that will help my actual day to day life, picking up my kids and not being sore, being able to have more energy, being able to sleep and sometimes and allowing movement to be just like a gift that I can use rather than something I have to live under. So, yeah.

00:17:00 (Aubrey)

yeah, I love what you're just saying because it makes me think about like any health habit or any like anything we do, whether it's how we eat or how we move our body. We want that thing, that habit or that behavior to support the rest of our health, the rest of our life. Because there are so many facets of health, there's relational health that you spoke on.

There's the mental health of like, if you're stressed about having to get up at 4:30 in the morning, there's all of these things. And if our exercise is stealing from all of those areas, then it's not really contributing to our holistic health. It's not supporting those things.

And we believe that the health behaviors, the life that God has for us and the rhythms and habits and those things that he has for us are all work in unison to make us live into that person that he made us to be.

And they're not stealing and fighting from each other. So I love that picture. I think that goes hand-in-hand with what we teach and what we believe here at joyful health. Yeah, yeah, right. Just like that integrated whole person being like, you're saying it's not stealing from your life, it's giving.

00:18:03 (Kasey)

And you know, God, you know, the thief comes to steal, kill and a story, but God came to give life and life abundant. And so. And because we are free as Christians, we no longer have to live under that condemnation of like, Oh, I didn't get my workout in.

I'm a bad person. And that's that doesn't apply to us anymore. You know, the spiritual laws are in effect. So OK, so Aubrey, let's hear from you. How do you as a dietitian, a person who prescribes meal plans to people, what does intuitive eating look like for you?

How did you get into that? Because a lot of us, when we think of intuitive eating, it sounds it can sound kind of flimsy and like, Well, what is science and nutrition have to do with that? So what's your story?

Aubrey’s Story

00:18:55 (Aubrey)

Oh, man, yeah, I feel like I just need to start out with this. I in college, I started as an accounting major because I wanted to do something that was secure, and that would have I would have a guarantee of getting a job.

This is just a picture of me at that time, like control, control, control like I. I didn't want to take risks. I wanted to make sure I never hurt for money, you know? So I started off as an accounting major.

I was good at math and then I got into it and I was a collegiate swimmer. And so I had gotten to a point in my career and at the university where I hit a plateau, I was actually overtraining, I got mono, I got really sick from just a really high workout load that I wasn't used to

in high school and pushing, pushing, pushing myself because that was the only way I knew. I didn't understand that our bodies need rest to recover. And so through that, I met with our nutritionist at the university and I was able to just add some little nutrition strategies here and there to feel my body better.

And I did so much better, and I was like, Wow, this is amazing. I had always kind of had an interest in food and nutrition. I did watch my mom sort of have a mixed relationship with food and dieting and her body growing up.

Not super bad, but just something I took in and I had this, you know, I had this sports nutrition piece and also this underlying desire that me on. If I can help people. I didn't even really know if it was weight loss at the time, but I just if I could help people figure this out.

You know, we're always struggling with our bodies. I see women struggling with their bodies and with food. Then I can really help people be happy. And it really started from that motivation. And so I switch my and I switch my degree from accounting to nutrition.

I remember having a call with my mom and she's like, Are you sure? Are you sure you should do this? Like, this doesn't seem like you? And I'm like, Yeah, yeah, I'm going to do it. I'm going to be a dietitian.

Didn't even know what that was. I just knew I wanted to be a sports dietitian, right? And like, I was like, I'm going to go and tell people exactly what to eat. They're going to get better, faster or they're going to get leaner, skinnier, all the things they want.

It's all here if they just perfect their eating. And so that started that path. And really, I just I love physiology. Loved it. Loved it, loved it. I fell in. Physiology is really more about the systems of the body and how everything works together, and it is so cool to see God's design and how all these intricate

systems work together to help the body inclined towards health. That was so cool to me. I don't think I put it all together in college, but later I realized like, OK, all this evidence that God has designed our bodies well, hated anatomy, absolutely hated it.

And so Kasey and my husband, who's a chiropractor, that's where they shine. But I like the internal things. So anyways, fast forward, I graduated. I was done with my swimming career. I really had an identity crisis. Who am I if I'm not this perfect student, perfect athlete?

Who am I? I'm just this girl who got married young. All my friends are like living their life, you know, in the big city. And here I am, struggling with who I am, you know, struggling with everything. When you're when you're a young adult and you just graduate college.

And so I sort of turned to what I knew, which was food and exercise because I had worked out so hard for so long, I really did not know how to move my body in like a normal way that didn't require me to get up at 4:30 in the morning.

Yeah, all kinds of things. So I started running because that seemed like an intense exercise that could replace collegiate swimming. I started like tracking all my food intake. I really just had this sense of like, if I can't control all these other things in my life or earn my worth through, you know, my performance here, I'm going

to do it through eating and and exercising. And quickly, thankfully, God sort of put a halt to that in my life after I graduated from and getting my master's in. Getting my dietetics degree and I had I had a couple of things happen when I really wanted to get pregnant and really wanted to have children,

and I hadn't had a normal period at that point which looking back. It was definitely because of my restrictive eating and over exercising. And so there was that too. I had gotten passed over for a job that I really, really wanted, that I thought for sure, I'm a shoo in.

00:23:49 (Aubrey)

I knew the people who worked there. They encouraged me to apply and to interview, and someone else got it who had more experience than me. Oh, so I had this like crisis. I was really believing this like performance.

Like, if I do X, you know, everything will go good for me. And it was falling apart. And then God was helping me learn to trust him and to understand grace. And so at that time, I had started like, I think my parents had started listening to, like attending a different church and talking to me about some

things. And I started listening to some different preachers and I just God just revealed the gospel to me knew. I mean, I had been a Christian my whole life, but it was pretty performance based for me. I didn't fully understand it.

And then I I finally grasped that my worth was already paid for that I wasn't going to earn my way to anything that every good gift I had is from God. And even every good effort and is empowered by him.

So that's happening in my spiritual life. And at the same time, I had gotten a job and I was working at a hospital as a hospital dietitian where I prescribed diets for different things like diabetes and heart disease and weight loss, sometimes because we would get consulted by doctors to speak to people about weight loss.

And that was not. I loved talking with people, but the actual work it did. It feel important because I would get there and I would see the same patients month after month and they would tell me, you know, I'm doing all these things and I'd take their food histories and they are barely eating anything like they, you

know, they weren't even eating enough. It didn't make sense, right from everything I learned in school. They should be losing weight and they should be getting healthier if they're losing weight. And that just wasn't the case. They weren't able to follow diets and they weren't getting healthier from restricting food, even if they had lost weight.

And so I was just sort of like, I don't know. I don't know if this is the career for me. I was even running like weight loss programs at gyms on the side because I thought, Well, these people are motivated.

They paid for this program. They're going to come and they're going to have great success. And they would go on these restrictive diets and they would lose a few pounds and then they would stabilize and they would still be restricting and they would not lose anymore.

And they would get super mad at themselves. And I'd try to encourage them, you know, keep eating these healthy foods, like, keep making these changes. They didn't care because it was all about the weight. So, you know, all of this is a perfect storm.

I'm like, OK, God, can you show me, is there a different way? Is there a way that you want people to eat? You know, like show me in the Bible? So I'm expecting to see, you know, food rules.

And what I found was the New Testament offered a lot of freedom for food, and I realized, OK, something's off with how I'm viewing food and how God views food. And anyways, doing Bible study and also doing some research.

I found and discovered intuitive eating and health at every size. I discovered that we could listen to our body's cues for hunger and fullness. We could fuel our bodies well and actually be more likely to reach a healthy state than if we were restricting them, which really that all fit with my history as an athlete.

Has I got into nutrition, fueling myself better and performing better? But somehow, like you, it's like I kept going and I was told to help people restrict. And there is so much science to show that restriction is not helpful or realistic long term that it causes all of these other things, like disordered eating and even bingeing later.

00:27:50 (Aubrey)

And we go into that in our master class, stop dieting and discover the joy in food and fitness. But I realize that on a personal level and with my clients and I started practicing intuitive eating, I did get my period back in the midst of fueling my body better.

I had a baby. Life really changed for me, and I realized that this was what I was meant to do. I meant to help people find freedom so that they're not so obsessed with eating and they can live their lives.

And with joy and also the really cool thing for me in this work is that when we discover how amazing God is in his design of our bodies, it's just one more way that we learn a little bit about God's character and and we learn to trust him and we see him in that.

He he's so wise, like he's designed our bodies to send us these cues to be nourished. He's didn't leave us alone to white knuckle our eating and our health and our exercise. And so that was it. That was a lot.

(Kasey)

I mean, we know what where I would if I answered the question or Adobe case. No, you answered everything, and I was like, Well, I was going to ask her about the benefits. I was going to ask her about how she actually ended up helping people.

And you answered all of those things. And what I would say to you is like, God is patient. He's patient with each one of us. And how like he has these gifts of food and movement for us, like they’re ready for us.

And meanwhile, we're like just struggling and striving to do the right things. And he's like, Well, I actually just I want you to love me and I want you to love other people. So however, you can do that with food and movement like as they fit into your life, then great, you know?

And so it's just it's like such a weight lifted off and Aubrey. I just wanted to remind the listeners, too, of kind of your background and you've already said most of your bio and a very much more digestible way through your story.

But for the listeners who may not know Aubrey, she is dietician. She's a writer. She's a mama and a mom of a giant dog named Ruby, who inspired me to get a dog somehow. You know, I just really loved all the fun chaos.

Aubrey is on a mission to help women ditch those diets, find grace in the areas of food, body image, motherhood and beyond. She is a great mama, and I can attest to that. She is the co-founder of the Joyful Health Collective with me, and we are adding to the team.

She's worked one-on-one with clients as a dietitian in private practice since 2015, so she's got some years under her belt. She's the author of the book called Grace Food and Everything In Between. So if you're kind of wondering about this intuitive health bike race thing, then go ahead and check out her book.

It's very readable, just like Aubrey said, just like the way that she speaks, is she a story? She has science. It's all in there. And then with her husband, they run the dwell, well, family. It's a blog that empowers other families to parent a team to live simply and rediscover the lost art of making things themselves.

So she lives in Tulsa, Oklahoma, with her husband and kids, and you can connect with her on Instagram @aubreygolbek. OK. Aubrey. So we've shared our stories. We've shared health at every size. Some of the principles of of why it has like why restriction indicting hasn't worked for us and how not to focus as much on how to shape our bodies.

But instead of how the Lord is shaping our souls and having our habits of eating and movement flow out from that. So what can if we can leave our listeners with just like one practical thing, each? What's something that you can tell them?

Apply it to Your Walk

00:32:07 (Aubrey)

OK, now that you've listened to my story, here's what you can do now. Hmm. That's good, I think just listening to your story and then just what God put on my heart to share, I think if you as a listener can sit down and just look at the major events

in your life concerning your body, image your relationship with food and your relationship with movement, maybe sit down and think about when you were a young girl or boy. If you're listening to this and where how is your relationship shaped?

And just sort of look at the different points like, have you been on diets? Have you tried shake to workout routines? And then what were the fruits of each of those things in those seasons? And just try to see some patterns and ask the Lord to help reveal some different things to you.

And then I would also say, as a second part, think about the way that God's shaped you. What are the things that you enjoy doing when it comes to movement? What do you love? What are activities that you love?

What are foods that you love? What are experiences with food that you love? And I just think getting to know how the Lord made you and your own story from from this side of it might help point you towards where the Lord is taking you. So, Kasey, do you have anything else to add to that?

00:33:32 (Kasey)

Yeah, that's great. Aubrey, and what we say in joyful health is to rest in his grace and follow the joy. And so that journaling exercise, it can be like, OK, set a timer for ten minutes, just set aside some time and just start free writing, exactly what Aubrey said. Some of those prompts of how God has shaped you, what you're drawn to naturally, and how he wants to draw out his joy in you.

So resting in his grace has been able to be fully integrated with the Lord and then reaching out and spreading his glory just in a way that is just from the Lord and not from our own works, because that is how that's as there as the best way that that we can glorify him. So, um, yeah, I think that's it. Ari, will you pray for everyone and we are really just excited to you?

Continue sharing with you guys some of the frequently asked questions that we get and interviewing some experts in the field and have them share their stories as well because it's, you know, it's through the blood of the Lord and the power of our testimony that we overcome so we can't wait and continue sharing with you.

Prayer and Closing

00:34:58 (Aubrey)

Yes. Yeah. I was just thinking of that verse, too, so they go.

All right. Father, God, we just thank you so much for every single person who is listening to this Lord. I ask that you would just bring to mind and for each of these where you've been at different points in their life, Lord, I help I ask that you would just show yourself and show each listener where you were at during pivotal moments in their life, with their relationship with food and movement, and speak to their hearts so that they know what you have for them.That you have a better way than diets than white knuckling lord and just empower them with your grace to move forward. We thank you for everything you do for us in Jesus name. Amen.

All right, guys, like Kasey said. We can't wait to continue on sharing some important questions that you guys have. And until next time, may you rest in his grace and follow the joy bye.

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